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If you are new to the AusBDSM or AusBDSM-Chat mailing lists, please read this FAQ carefully and note the correct URL and/or email address for subscription requests.
Please note that while this list is a forum for discussion of alternative sexuality and not a source for pornography, some of the material on this list may not be appropriate for underage readers (for some definition of "appropriate" and "underage"). If you are underage (under 18 years old in Australia, or equivalent age of adulthood in other countries), you MUST NOT subscribe to this list.
The list admin has no way of knowing how old you are. If you are on this list and you are underage, and a law enforcement agency decided to check, things could get quite uncomfortable for you, for me, and for the list as a whole. Do not subscribe to this list if it would be against the law where you are for you to read or view pornographic or material, or if you are less than eighteen years old.
To unsubscribe (remove yourself) or to
subscribe, go to:
http://tertius.net.au/mailman/listinfo/ausbdsm for AusBDSM
or
http://tertius.net.au/mailman/listinfo/ausbdsm-chat for AusBDSM-Chat
and follow the instructions there. Please note, you use the
same URL to unsubscribe (remove
yourself) as well as to subscribe.
The above forms can also be used to access your individual settings, such as setting yourself to not receive mail on a particular address, retrieve a forgotten password, change whether you receive a digest or individual emails, and other similar things. You cannot change your email address via the above forms. To do that, you have to subscribe the new address and unsubscribe the old.
Note:To use the URLs above to do anything except subscribe, you must enter the exact email address you used to subscribe.
You may also send email to ausbdsm-request@tertius.net.au or email to
ausbdsm-chat-request@tertius.net.au with the text:
help
in the body of your message, if you wish to find out how to subscribe,
unsubscribe, or change other settings by email instead of using a
web browser.
To send mail to everyone on the list, send it to:
ausbdsm@tertius.net.au
or
ausbdsm-chat@tertius.net.au
depending on which list you are on. Please note: You must be
subscribed to the list in order to send mail to it. This means you
have to send mail from the same address at which you are subscribed.
If you need to send mail from multiple addresses, but only want to
receive mail at one address, the easiest thing to do is to subscribe
from all the addresses, and set most of them to nomail.
Your email to list being held because of "suspicious header"?
Your email confirmation of subscription is failing due to lots
of mysterious errors?
The list will not accept and understand email with HTML or attachments
in it. You will need to change the settings on your email client so
that it does not send HTML (ie, it sends in Plain
Text). Please see the etiquette
section for more about that. Also note "suspicious header" has
nothing to do with the Subject: line. The Subject: line is a "header",
yes, but there are other "headers" which tell the software whether the
email is plain text, etc, and that is what the software is catching.
If you use Outlook Express:
Please see Configuring Mail Clients to Send Plain ASCII Text for instructions for any other mail clients on how not to send HTML email.
If you send mail to the list that contains any word starting with 'sub' in the first 10 lines or so, it is likely to bounce. This is an unfortunate fact of life. Mailman catches messages posted to the list with words starting with 'sub' and 'uns' in the first several lines, because far too often "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" messages are sent mistakenly to the list. So, if you use the word 'sub' in the start of your message, you may want to leave some blank lines at the top of the message. Sorry about that.
Unfortunately, there is no way to change your email address. Sorry about that. The best thing to do is to subscribe from the new address, then unsubscribe from the old address when you know the new one is working.
Any other requests, for instance, if you require more
information, can be sent to ausbdsm-admin@tertius.net.au
to reach a human. Please do not send administrative requests to this address.
To access all your individual settings, such as
setting yourself to not receive mail for a particular
address, retrieve a forgotten password, change
whether you receive a digest or individual emails,
unsubscribe (remove yourself) and other similar
things, go to:
http://tertius.net.au/mailman/listinfo/ausbdsm
or
http://tertius.net.au/mailman/listinfo/ausbdsm-chat
Having trouble accessing your settings? To use the URLs above, you must enter the exact email address you used to subscribe.
Is the wrong name or email address appearing on your email? I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about that. That's not a setting related to the mailing list at all. That's a setting on your email program, and we can't change it from here.
Your email to list being held because of "implicit destination"? The list will not accept email does not have the list address in the To: or the Cc: fields. See a short thingy I wrote called What's an Implicit Destination? for more details.
You are told that non-members are not allowed to post messages to this list or that members only are allowed to post? You need to send email from the exact same address you are subscribed from. The From line is usually a configuration item in your email program... it is important that the email address and domain name when you post to the list are exactly the same as when you subscribed. You are free to subscribe from multiple addresses, and set some of them to nomail, if you wish to post from multiple addresses.
Your replies go to the poster, rather than to the list? The list Reply-To is not overridden to send things to the list, because it is too easy for people to accidentally send things to the list that were meant to go privately. That has led in the past to a great deal of trouble on a number of occasions. You should use "Reply To All", and then if you choose, remove the individual poster's address from the To line. See also a much more detailed argument from Chip Rosenthal on the subject, entitled: Reply-To Considered Harmful.
The lists are run by a piece of software called mailman, which is being run at the Tertius.net.au site.
The list-owner of both lists is thorfinn@tertius.net.au (Thorfinn)
AusBDSM is an Australian-based mailing list for discussion of consensual BDSM (Bondage and Discipline, Domination and Submission, Sadism and Masochism) and directly related topics.
AusBDSM-Chat is an Australian-based mailing list for people involved with consensual BDSM to discuss any topic, post jokes on, gossip about who's doing who and generally post about whatever they feel like.
Any other requests, for instance, if you require more information, can be sent to ausbdsm-admin@tertius.net.au for a hopefully quick answer.
AusBDSM was created in June 1994, as a reaction to the huge US influence in other net fora related to BDSM - particularly Usenet's alt.sex.bondage, and IRC's #bdsm.
In particular, Skud, Thorfinn and others found it difficult to make contact with others people locally who had similar interests and who could give more geographically accurate information, and were feeling kinda isolated in the backwoods of the net.bdsm community.
AusBDSM-Chat was created in August 1998, in large part as a reaction to the fact that AusBDSM had reached well over 300 subscribers, with that number growing rapidly. As a result, we'd reached that list size where if random chit-chat was welcome on the main list, it would swamp any serious discussion to the point of unusability.
It is hoped that these lists will provide fora for discussion, advice, social interaction and support for Australian BDSMers.
Generally speaking, anything directly related to consensual BDSM is welcome on this list, including bondage and discipline, sadism and masochism, domination and submission, personals, discussions related to other fora such as soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm, and anything else that's pretty directly related. Announcement of BDSM related events and a small amount of discussion of those events is welcome too.
Some non-BDSM discussion was once welcome, but that is no longer so. This is simply because of the volume of non-BDSM discussion would swamp the BDSM related discussion. Jokes, flirtation, one-line comments, random chit-chat, discussion of how the world ended yesterday but noone noticed, etc, all belongs on AusBDSM-Chat and is not welcome on AusBDSM.
If you are unsure about whether a post you are about to make to AusBDSM
is on topic or not, then you might like to add a paragraph or so labelled
ObBDSM: (ObBDSM stands for "Obligatory BDSM" comment) which
contains something that is directly BDSM related. Then you know for
sure that the post is on topic.
If you post a lot of off-topic material to AusBDSM, then you can expect the other subscribers to complain at you. Please don't do it. However, for complicated reasons involving Online Defamation Law, the list administrator will not get involved, because to do so may risk being accused of exercising editorial control, which would in turn expose me to legal risk of being responsible for any potentially defamatory material sent via the list.
AusBDSM-Chat is a general mailing list for people who participate or are interested in consensual BDSM to chat on. Jokes, flirtation, random chit-chat, comments about how cute so and so was at the party last night, and really anything else at all, are all welcome.
Not welcome on either list are spam, advertising of non-BDSM services or products, personal insults and flames, and any behaviour that endangers the list or its members - in terms of safety, privacy, and so on.
AusBDSM and AusBDSM-Chat email lists are discussion lists for the practitioners of consensual BDSM, and those who are interested in it. Descriptions or discussions of non-consensual, illegal, or highly unsafe activities on this list are not welcome except within the context of a discussion of the broader topic of BDSM issues.
If you want to discuss that kind of thing, please take it somewhere else. The administrator of these lists wishes to provide a space for safe discussion of consensual BDSM practices, and doesn't wish to deal with the legal and social consequences of appearing to condone non-consensual or unsafe practices. Please note that this does not apply to humour, debate, or appropriately marked fantasy - but that any extreme material may be upsetting to some readers, and the subject line or the first few lines of the post should outline its contents if the material is likely to upset someone, especially in the case of fantasies or fiction.
There has also been some discussion about the appropriateness of personal ads. Generally speaking, we don't mind them if they're well done. (Read the alt.personals guide to writing personals if you don't know what makes a good personal ad.) However, we'd much rather just get to know you by having you join in the day-to-day discussions on the list, attend a munch or two, and so on. This method is actually more likely to help you find someone than posting a personal.
Subscribers vary from those who are mildly curious about the subject, to those who have some intellectual interest (or claim to :)), to those who participate regularly and enthusiastically in various forms of BDSM.
Of a current total of approximately 870 people on the list, we have a selection of male and female, gay, straight and bi, students and those in the "real world", young and old (age ranges from 18 to 60-something, I think), married/divorced/single/searching, monogamous and poly, etc...
Victoria and NSW claim most of the subscribers, with a decent showing from all the other states and various other countries.
ausbdsm-admin@tertius.net.au, if you must, but do
not respond on list. We do not want to see flamage on
the lists, whether it's in response to someone else or not. Also note,
flamage may well be construed as "defamatory material", exposing you to
potentially nasty legal consequences.
These lists used to be a blatant dictatorship. However, for complicated reasons involving Online Defamation Law (See EFA on Defamation Laws and the Internet and a UNSW Law Journal article on Online Content Legislation), the list administrator will no longer be involved in any way (except for the purposes of preventing the publication of defamatory material as advised by qualified legal practitioners as described above, and for the technical purpose of keeping bandwidth down by filtering on a purely technical basis to prevent attachments and non-plain-text emails).
Posts caught in the mailing list software's "moderation" queue will only be refused if they originate from an email address that the list administrator has placed on "moderated" status due to being notified in writing by a qualified legal practitioner that the email address has been posting defamatory material, or if it fails the technical requirements of posting to the list (plain text email only, no attachments allowed). There will be no alteration to content of posts.
People will not be put under moderation for their views or posts, unless the list administrator is notified in writing by a qualified legal practitioner that said posts are defamatory in nature.
Note also that for a variety of reasons (primary amongst them being the complete lack of interest in being asked to contribute evidence to other people's court cases), the list administrator has not in the past, does not currently, nor will in the future, keep any archive of the posts made to AusBDSM or AusBDSM-Chat. This says nothing about what other people may have archived.
Anyone can subscribe to these lists, given the ability to follow some simple directions. The list admin does not have the time to verify the sanity, safety, age, or anything else of the subscribers, and we make no attempt to do so.
It is an unfortunate fact of life that many of those who would like to be on the AusBDSM lists are not able to "out" themselves for various reasons, including just general shyness.
If you are one of these people, then you should be aware that the subscriber list is private (accessible only to the list-administrator, and the sysadmins of the tertius.net.au machine), so if you do not post to the list, then your email address will not be visible to anyone. Conversely, if you do post to the list, then your email address details will appear on the list for all subscribers to see.
If you can't deal with this, there are a few options available:
Please note, what "name" appears next to your email address is not under the control of the list administrator. It is a setting within the software you are using to send email. Where that setting is varies from program to program, and you will have to search your software's options or help files to find it.
Remember, also, that you can only post from addresses that you are subscribed from. It is entirely allowed to subscribe from multiple addresses, particularly if you set some of the addresses to nomail. This means you can subscribe from the address you want to receive email from as well as a free "anonymous" webmail account to post from, and post from the webmail account only.
There was some discussion about the approriateness of non-Australian subscriptions. The admins' policy on this is to let them occur. We will not limit subscription to *.au readers.
Currently, at least Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, Canberra, Perth, Newcastle and Sydney have held munches. Timing, venues and organisers vary a fair amount, so ask on AusBDSM for when they're happening. There are also several city-specific mailing lists where these are often organised. You may need to search around or ask to find these.
Note: If you are organising a munch, please arrange to post the announcement to both AusBDSM and AusBDSM-Chat.
Certain terms may pop up from time to time which not everyone is familiar with. Here's a brief list of terms, primarily abbreviations, which may help you understand what's going on...
:)
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